MEGATHREAD! : PLS - what about to add Italy into patch or DLC ??

[jvano]

Photos the italian tanks in combat... used by germans very interesting!! (produced 10, 12 or what is... but to be used in combat.)

Semovente da 105:
http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/it...-105_25-1.html

Carro Armato P.40 :
http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/it.../P40/p40-1.htm

Semovente 75/34
http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/it...Da-75_34-1.htm

Semovente 75/46 (in the picture i think... used by italian or partizan)
http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/it...Da-75_46-1.htm

Semovente 90mm (capturer by allied.... but look the german cross)
http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/it...Da-90_53-1.htm

And more in this link : http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/italy/italy.htm

Saludos

[Avgvstvs]

but is possible in this forum to have some opinion by the admin?
would be interesting know if this idea will be approved and/or simply taken into account.

[Opavius]

Reworked list ;-)

Hi all :-)
am not sure if someone has already posted topic like this, but i just wanted to make a summary about all those posts connected with Italy (that were only simple...). MOWAS is definitely the best game for hardcore ww2 players. All nations are interesting (now + Japan), have unique strategy, units and ways how to play. In this case i wanted to make a topic about adding 6th nation (3rd Axis power) - Italy ! Many of you will say, Italy has nothing interesting and cannot face other nations... Well, if you are "King Tiger looking players" you will not find anything equal here...but if you look (and i made it for you ;-) )a bit closer, you can find so many interesting and powerfull weapons, that Italy would be able to face ANY other weapon any nation can bring. Yes, Italy's main power is not in tanks, but in self propelled AT guns (Semoventes), light, cheap and fast medium tanks, many "truck mounted" weapons (such as 75mm or 90mm AA gun, 20mm AA gun or 65 mm/75mm field guns), many tipes of artillery, interesting infantry weapons as 60mm AT grenade launcher, 45mm hand mortar Brixia and on top of all, !towable! 210mm howitzer Obice da 210, which will definitely fit anyone, who lacks some good firepower ;-). And, as with Japan prototypes, there are some interesting prototypes that can me (and already some were) brought into game - Carro Saharino (equivalent to crusader), medium tank P43 with 80mm frontal slopped armour and 75mm long barrel gun (so almost Pather) or P43bis with 100 slopped frontal armour and famous 90mm gun (so powerfull as Pershing)... So dont worry, Italy can be as powerfull as other nations without any problems ;-) In this topis i would like to present my look on it and my list of units that can be added to game:

1) Infantry:
- Pachetto (1 star cheap unit) - Carcano (rifle), Variara (cheap submachine gun)
- Assault troops - (2 star) Glisenti, Carcano/FNAB
- Regular Inf. - (2 star) Glisenti, Carcano/FNAB, Breda (machinegun)
- Paratroopers - (3 star) Glisenti, Breda
- Royal Infantry or Bersaglieri -(4star) Carcano M1891TS Moschetto per Truppe Speciali (special rifle), FNAB/TZ45 (submachine both), Breda/Fiat-Revelli (machinegun), Solothurn S-18/1100 AT rifle, Panzerfaust (got from Germany) or 60mm At grenade launcher Lanciabombe Controcarro 60mm
- Miners/deminers, officer, etc (as in other nations)

2) Soldiers :
- Standard infatry units as other nations have
- Sniper with scooped Steyr-Mannlicher M1895
- AT rifle Solothurn S-18/1100
- AT Panzerfaust, or 60mm Lanciabombe Controcarro
- Flamethrower unit with Flamethrower Modello 40

3) Transport :
- motorcycle - Moto Guzzi Alce
- jeep -SPA-Viberti AS.42 (large jeep with .50 and 2x MG)
- halftrack (Breda-61 or FIAT SC727)
- Fiat ammo trucks / engineers

4) Artillery :
- Breda heavy MG,
- 20 mm Cannone-Mitragliera (Breda/Scotti),
- Mortar (Mortario - 81mm),
- 47mm AT gun Cannone da 47,
- 75mm Cannone da 75/xx (many versions, from howitzers to long-barrel AT guns)
- 75mm Cannone da 75/46 (AA and AT)
- 90mm Cannone da 90 (AA gun - better than german flak 8
- 100mm Feldhaubnitze / 105mm Canone de 105 (arty)
- 149mm Cannone da 149 / Obice da 149 (arty)
- Semovente 75/18 (75mm short barelled gun - SPG)
- Semovente 149 (SPG)

5) Support weaponry/light tanks:
- Tankettes - L3/33 and L3/35 - both light tanks with machineguns
- Light tanks - Carro Armato L6/40 (+Breda MG/ 20mm Breda/ 37mm gun)
- Carro Armato L6/ Ll (flamethrower tank)
- Semovente 20/70 Quadropulo (4x 20mm AA - like wilberwind)
- Armoured cars - Autoblinda 41/42/43(MG, 20mm or 37mm gun), Fiat AB611 (37mm gun)

6) Tanks:
- Mediums:
- Fiat Ansaldo - M11/39 (37mm gun)
- M13/40 (47mm gun)
- M14/41 (47mm gun)
- M15/42 (47mm gun long barrel)
- M16/42 (47mm gun long barrel)
- Carro Pesante P40 (75mm gun, 50mm slopped armour)
- Heavy:
- Carro Pesante P43 (75mm longer barrel, 80mm front armour slopped - like Panther)
- Carro Pesante P43bis (90mm gun, 100mm front armour slopped - like Pershing)

7) Tank destroyers: (looking like stug)
- Semovente 47/32 (47mm gun)
- Semovente 75/34 (75mm long barrel)
- Semovente 75/46 (75mm longer barrel, 75mm frontal slopped armour)
- Semovente 90/53 (great 90mm long barelled gun - like Nashorn)
- Semovente 105/25 (105mm gun, 100mm frontal armour slightly slopped- the best ww2 Italy's tank destroyer)

Special units : (for example... there are many more possibilities to mix units...)
1 point:
- Agente (like Saboteur)
- 1x Brixia 45mm mortar
- Infantry squad (regular)
- Lancia AA (20mm AA gun mounted on Lancia truck)
2 points:
- M16 Celere Saharino - prototype similar to crusader
- Alle armi (like small charge)
- 75mm mountain gun (name for howitzers)
3 points:
- Armoured Bersiglieri - 3star elite squad in halftrack (with AT rifle)
- Alpini Division - 2star elite squad (in halftrack with towed 75mm mountain gun/ in halftrack with 20mm AA or 37mm AT)
- Lancia autocarro 90 (90mm AA mounted on Lancia truck)
4 points:
- Armoured division -2x medium tank M15/42 with some troops on it
- Radio operator
5 points:
- Artiglieria - 2x Cannone da 65 (65mm mountain inf. gun) or 2x Obice da 75 (75mm inf. howitzer)
6 points:
- Rommels support (:-)): 3x Pz IV G with infantry on it/ Tiger (those german tanks were really send to Italy's army as help)
7 points:
- Assault division - 1x Semovente 105/25
8 points:
- Armoured division - 2x M15/42 mediums and 1 Semovente 75/34
9 points:
- Support - Elephant (used in south Italy as defense)(just optional)
- Carro Pesante P43bis (for those who think this tank is too OP for normal section, it can be moved into spec units)
10 points:
- Obice da 210 (towable 210mm heavy mortar - this should turn game - imagine the power of B4M 203mm soviets have)

I am sure developers know a lot more than me, but i think that adding Italy into patch or as DLC (for 10e max) should be greaaat. Game will be more interesting and we would get another nation - another strategy. What are your opinions on that ??? Or if you know more interesting units to add, some prototypes or so...just post ) Thx for reading, hope at least some developer says if its possielve or not...
P.S. some tips and images :
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/italy/ta...avy/p26-40.asp
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/I...lianTanks.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian...n_World_War_II

THX for reply and some tips )

[rossBurglar]

http://digitalmindsoft.eu/forums/sho...lds-of-Honor-6

Adds France and Romania too. I quite often see GSM games hosted in the lobby. I would much rather see effort be made to refine and fix the current factions in the game instead of throwing it all out of balance to add another

[Norbo]

Reworked list ;-)

Hi all :-)
am not sure if someone has already posted topic like this, but i just wanted to make a summary about all those posts connected with Italy (that were only simple...). MOWAS is definitely the best game for hardcore ww2 players. All nations are interesting (now + Japan), have unique strategy, units and ways how to play. In this case i wanted to make a topic about adding 6th nation (3rd Axis power) - Italy ! Many of you will say, Italy has nothing interesting and cannot face other nations... Well, if you are "King Tiger looking players" you will not find anything equal here...but if you look (and i made it for you ;-) )a bit closer, you can find so many interesting and powerfull weapons, that Italy would be able to face ANY other weapon any nation can bring. Yes, Italy's main power is not in tanks, but in self propelled AT guns (Semoventes), light, cheap and fast medium tanks, many "truck mounted" weapons (such as 75mm or 90mm AA gun, 20mm AA gun or 65 mm/75mm field guns), many tipes of artillery, interesting infantry weapons as 60mm AT grenade launcher, 45mm hand mortar Brixia and on top of all, !towable! 210mm howitzer Obice da 210, which will definitely fit anyone, who lacks some good firepower ;-). And, as with Japan prototypes, there are some interesting prototypes that can me (and already some were) brought into game - Carro Saharino (equivalent to crusader), medium tank P43 with 80mm frontal slopped armour and 75mm long barrel gun (so almost Pather) or P43bis with 100 slopped frontal armour and famous 90mm gun (so powerfull as Pershing)... So dont worry, Italy can be as powerfull as other nations without any problems ;-) In this topis i would like to present my look on it and my list of units that can be added to game:

1) Infantry:
- Pachetto (1 star cheap unit) - Carcano (rifle), Variara (cheap submachine gun)
- Assault troops - (2 star) Glisenti, Carcano/FNAB
- Regular Inf. - (2 star) Glisenti, Carcano/FNAB, Breda (machinegun)
- Paratroopers - (3 star) Glisenti, Breda
- Royal Infantry or Bersaglieri -(4star) Carcano M1891TS Moschetto per Truppe Speciali (special rifle), FNAB/TZ45 (submachine both), Breda/Fiat-Revelli (machinegun), Solothurn S-18/1100 AT rifle, Panzerfaust (got from Germany) or 60mm At grenade launcher Lanciabombe Controcarro 60mm
- Miners/deminers, officer, etc (as in other nations)

2) Soldiers :
- Standard infatry units as other nations have
- Sniper with scooped Steyr-Mannlicher M1895
- AT rifle Solothurn S-18/1100
- AT Panzerfaust, or 60mm Lanciabombe Controcarro
- Flamethrower unit with Flamethrower Modello 40

3) Transport :
- motorcycle - Moto Guzzi Alce
- jeep -SPA-Viberti AS.42 (large jeep with .50 and 2x MG)
- halftrack (Breda-61 or FIAT SC727)
- Fiat ammo trucks / engineers

4) Artillery :
- Breda heavy MG,
- 20 mm Cannone-Mitragliera (Breda/Scotti),
- Mortar (Mortario - 81mm),
- 47mm AT gun Cannone da 47,
- 75mm Cannone da 75/xx (many versions, from howitzers to long-barrel AT guns)
- 75mm Cannone da 75/46 (AA and AT)
- 90mm Cannone da 90 (AA gun - better than german flak 8
- 100mm Feldhaubnitze / 105mm Canone de 105 (arty)
- 149mm Cannone da 149 / Obice da 149 (arty)
- Semovente 75/18 (75mm short barelled gun - SPG)
- Semovente 149 (SPG)

5) Support weaponry/light tanks:
- Tankettes - L3/33 and L3/35 - both light tanks with machineguns
- Light tanks - Carro Armato L6/40 (+Breda MG/ 20mm Breda/ 37mm gun)
- Carro Armato L6/ Ll (flamethrower tank)
- Semovente 20/70 Quadropulo (4x 20mm AA - like wilberwind)
- Armoured cars - Autoblinda 41/42/43(MG, 20mm or 37mm gun), Fiat AB611 (37mm gun)

6) Tanks:
- Mediums:
- Fiat Ansaldo - M11/39 (37mm gun)
- M13/40 (47mm gun)
- M14/41 (47mm gun)
- M15/42 (47mm gun long barrel)
- M16/42 (47mm gun long barrel)
- Carro Pesante P40 (75mm gun, 50mm slopped armour)
- Heavy:
- Carro Pesante P43 (75mm longer barrel, 80mm front armour slopped - like Panther)
- Carro Pesante P43bis (90mm gun, 100mm front armour slopped - like Pershing)

7) Tank destroyers: (looking like stug)
- Semovente 47/32 (47mm gun)
- Semovente 75/34 (75mm long barrel)
- Semovente 75/46 (75mm longer barrel, 75mm frontal slopped armour)
- Semovente 90/53 (great 90mm long barelled gun - like Nashorn)
- Semovente 105/25 (105mm gun, 100mm frontal armour slightly slopped- the best ww2 Italy's tank destroyer)

Special units : (for example... there are many more possibilities to mix units...)
1 point:
- Agente (like Saboteur)
- 1x Brixia 45mm mortar
- Infantry squad (regular)
2 points:
- M16 Celere Saharino - prototype similar to crusader
- Alle armi (like small charge)
- 75mm mountain gun (name for howitzers)
3 points:
- Armoured Bersiglieri - 3star elite squad in halftrack (with AT rifle)
- Alpini Division - 2star elite squad (in halftrack with towed 75mm mountain gun/ in halftrack with 20mm AA or 37mm AT)
4 points:
- Armoured division -2x medium tank M15/42 with some troops on it
- Radio operator
5 points:
- Artiglieria - 2x Cannone da 65 (65mm mountain inf. gun) or 2x Obice da 75 (75mm inf. howitzer)
6 points:
- Rommels support (:-)): 3x Pz IV G with infantry on it/ Tiger (those german tanks were really send to Italy's army as help)
7 points:
- Assault division - 1x Semovente 105/25
8 points:
- Armoured division - 2x M15/42 mediums and 1 Semovente 75/34
9 points:
- Support - Elephant (used in south Italy as defense)(just optional)
- Carro Pesante P43bis (for those who think this tank is too OP for normal section, it can be moved into spec units)
10 points:
- Obice da 210 (towable 210mm heavy mortar - this should turn game - imagine the power of B4M 203mm soviets have)

I am sure developers know a lot more than me, but i think that adding Italy into patch or as DLC (for 10e max) should be greaaat. Game will be more interesting and we would get another nation - another strategy. What are your opinions on that ??? Or if you know more interesting units to add, some prototypes or so...just post ) Thx for reading, hope at least some developer says if its possielve or not...
P.S. some tips and images :
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/italy/ta...avy/p26-40.asp
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/I...lianTanks.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian...n_World_War_II

THX for reply and some tips )

There's nothing wrong with your list. It could be balanced, yes, Italy would propably even better than the Japs with the units you mentioned. But you have to grasp that a DLC or patch of that magnitude simply isn't possible: we get a couple of new models every 2-3 months, not 50. In fact Italy would propably require more new models than the present AS has compared to VMoW. Your ideas are fine for a new installment of the MoW-series. AS forums isn't the right place for them.

Please, do not resurrect this thread.

[Opavius]

Why not ressurect? I know its impossible to start from beggining and make all units...but i mentioned that moders already finished almost all units i mentioned here... ( http://digitalmindsoft.eu/forums/sho...future-project ) and i wrote that if developers would work together with those great moders, it would be finished soon... Infantry is already finished (just new uniforms on old models), almost all wehicles are ready and only a few guns are waiting... And after all, imagine how long it took devs to produce MOW Vietnam and Condemned heroes... not so long... (both almpst fiasco). So why not to try it when almost all units are already done ? :-) (P.S. I added Lancia 20mm AA truck and 90mm AA truck to spec units)

[Opavius]

And yes, this game needs continuous balance (as every game) but during that devs can cooperate with moders and finish their work...so we can expect it in (probably) MOW2 in half a year or so...i think its possible...

[tanksnotdead]

To be really honest its more likely the devs will integrate the whole Dynamic Campaign Generator Mod than theyll bother with adding the Italian faction. And its no secret that wont happen any time soon.

Oh and no MoW 2 for you for at least 2 years, since no ones developing it.. what we will be getting in the near future is a GEM powered postapocaliptic RPG from Best Way(+1C Softclub, the ones responsible for Condemned Heroes), and a browser based HitlerVille(or a Panzer General Online if were lucky) from DMS.

[Opavius]

i hope devs will not follow that route (vietnam, condemned heroes - another waste game with ussr theme - there are many many themes from Africa, Italy, Normandy and Pacific...) and will focus on balancing MOWAS (which is definitely the best title yet) and during it another MOW title (with some single player missions - as greeeaaat as in MOW, reworked skirmish and fixed multiplayer - with better pathfindind, etc...) ... there is no need for XYth. new skins and images...its not so important as balance, better pathfinding, less crashed and new fresh content (as Italy for example...) P.S. For those who still think that is too difficult to bring Italy to live, look here ;-) http://digitalmindsoft.eu/forums/sho...project/page67

[BALLSOFOLYMPOS]

I think that the idea itself is good. The list looks good and interesting. I'd like to have some more options for axis, as it's now usually just Germany vs some allied faction. Of course there will be constantly updating GSM mods, but hey, the fact is that most of the people don't know those mods exist or how/where to download them.

The problem is that this patch would need so many new models, that it would require a lot of work. MoW AS is a great game though, I don't see why would it be so impossible to improve it even more - even if it'd take time and work. And if the modelling is already done by somebody, that could save some time too.

I love making choices; I can see why the competitive game mode exists, but it cuts down a lot of choices. I like to think outside the box and try different things, and I am missing a "sandbox" faction, a faction that doesn't force one to buy always pretty much the same units and use the same tactics. Japan is pretty fun now, I gotta admit, but people don't seem to like it that much for some reason. Italy could bring that delightful randomness that I'm missing a bit now.

Also, I can't understand most of you people whining about stuff that doesn't really affect the game that much, like the ridiculous nagging about the SMG's in the newest patch. I think the game is very balanced now, and it wasn't that bad before either. For some reason I have always been able to play and win as every faction, against every faction.