MEGATHREAD! : PLS - what about to add Italy into patch or DLC ??

[Opavius]

Reworked list ;-)

Hi all :-)
am not sure if someone has already posted topic like this, but i just wanted to make a summary about all those posts connected with Italy (that were only simple...). MOWAS is definitely the best game for hardcore ww2 players. All nations are interesting (now + Japan), have unique strategy, units and ways how to play. In this case i wanted to make a topic about adding 6th nation (3rd Axis power) - Italy ! Many of you will say, Italy has nothing interesting and cannot face other nations... Well, if you are "King Tiger looking players" you will not find anything equal here...but if you look (and i made it for you ;-) )a bit closer, you can find so many interesting and powerfull weapons, that Italy would be able to face ANY other weapon any nation can bring. Yes, Italy's main power is not in tanks, but in self propelled AT guns (Semoventes), light, cheap and fast medium tanks, many "truck mounted" weapons (such as 75mm or 90mm AA gun, 20mm AA gun or 65 mm/75mm field guns), many tipes of artillery, interesting infantry weapons as 60mm AT grenade launcher, 45mm hand mortar Brixia and on top of all, !towable! 210mm howitzer Obice da 210, which will definitely fit anyone, who lacks some good firepower ;-). And, as with Japan prototypes, there are some interesting prototypes that can me (and already some were) brought into game - Carro Saharino (equivalent to crusader), medium tank P43 with 80mm frontal slopped armour and 75mm long barrel gun (so almost Pather) or P43bis with 100 slopped frontal armour and famous 90mm gun (so powerfull as Pershing)... So dont worry, Italy can be as powerfull as other nations without any problems ;-) In this topis i would like to present my look on it and my list of units that can be added to game:

1) Infantry:
- Pachetto (1 star cheap unit) - Carcano (rifle), Variara (cheap submachine gun)
- Assault troops - (2 star) Glisenti, Carcano/FNAB
- Regular Inf. - (2 star) Glisenti, Carcano/FNAB, Breda (machinegun)
- Paratroopers - (3 star) Glisenti, Breda, Solothurn AT rifle
- Bersaglieri -(4star) Carcano M1891TS Moschetto per Truppe Speciali (special rifle), FNAB/TZ45 (submachine both), Breda/Fiat-Revelli (machinegun), Solothurn S-18/1100 AT rifle, Panzerfaust (got from Germany) or 60mm AT grenade launcher Lanciabombe Controcarro 60mm
- Miners/deminers, officer, etc (as in other nations)

2) Soldiers :
- Standard infatry units as other nations have
- Sniper with scooped Steyr-Mannlicher M1895
- AT rifle Solothurn S-18/1100
- AT Panzerfaust, or 60mm Lanciabombe Controcarro
- Flamethrower unit with Flamethrower Modello 40
- Miners/Deminers

3) Transport :
- motorcycle - Moto Guzzi Alce
- jeep -SPA-Viberti AS.42 (large jeep in 3 versions: with .50MG and 2x MG / 20mm AA / 47mm Cannon)
- halftrack (Breda-61 or FIAT SC727)
- Fiat ammo trucks / engineers

4) Artillery :
- Breda heavy MG,
- 20 mm AA Cannone-Mitragliera (Breda/Scotti),
- Mortar (Mortario - 81mm),
- 47mm AT gun Cannone da 47,
- 75mm Cannone da 75/xx (many versions, from howitzers to long-barrel AT guns)
- 75mm Cannone da 75/46 (AA and AT)
- 90mm Cannone da 90 (AA gun - better than german flak 88 ) (ev. truck mounted)
- 100mm Feldhaubnitze / 105mm Canone de 105 (arty)
- 149mm Cannone da 149 / Obice da 149 (arty)
- Truck mounted 75mm AA, or/and 90mm AA
- Truck mounted 100mm howitzer (substitute for 100mm mobile arty)
- Semovente M41 75/18 (75mm howitzer, 50mm frontal armour)
- Semovente 149 (SPG similar to M12 from USA)

5) Support weaponry/light tanks:
- Tankettes:
- L3/33 and L3/35 - both light tanks with machineguns (12mm frontal armour)
- Light tanks:
- Fiat L5/21 or L5/30 (MG or 37mm gun, 16mm frontal armour)
- Fiat L6/40 (+Breda MG/ 20mm Breda/ 37mm gun, 40mm frontal armour)
- Carro Armato L6/ Ll (flamethrower tank - very usefull)
- Semovente 20/70 Quadropulo (4x 20mm AA - like Wilberwind)
- Armoured cars:
- Autoblinda 41/42/43 (with MG, 20mm or 37mm gun)
- Fiat AB611 (37mm gun)
- Many truck mounted guns:
- Truck mounted 20mm/75mm/90mm AA/100mm howitzer

6) Tanks:
- Mediums:
- Fiat Ansaldo - M11/39 (37mm gun, 30mm frontal armour)
- M13/40 (47mm gun, 42mm frontal armour)
- M14/41 (47mm gun, 42mm frontal armour)
- M15/42 (47mm gun long barrel, 42mm frontal armour)
- M16 Celere Saharino (47) - similar to crusader, 47mm gun
- M16 Celere Saharino (75) - similar to crusader, 75mm gun
- Heavy:
- Carro Pesante P40 (75mm gun, 50mm slopped armour) - 2 versions - with short/long barrel
- Carro Pesante P43bis - Pershing-like tank, 75mm long gun
- Carro Pesante P43bis - Pershing-like tank, 90mm long gun (similar to 90mm AA, similar to US 90mm)

7) Tank destroyers: (looking like stug, very good Italy's armour)
- Semovente L40 47/32 (47mm gun, 30mm armour)
- Semovente M41 75/32 (75mm long barrel, 50mm frontal armour)
- Semovente M42M 75/34 (75mm long barrel, 50mm frontal armour)
- Semovente M42T 75/46 (75mm longer barrel, 75mm frontal slopped! armour)
- Semovente M41 90/53 (great 90mm long barelled gun - like Nashorn, with 40mm armour)
- Semovente M43 105/25 (105mm gun, 75mm frontal slightly slopped armour - the best ww2 Italy's tank destroyer)

Special units: (for example... there are many more possibilities to mix units...)
1 point:
- Agente (like Saboteur)
- Brixia 45mm infantry mortar
- Infantry squad (regular)
- Lancia AA (20mm AA gun mounted on Lancia truck)
- 65mm mountain gun (as USA's 75mm)
- Light tank
- Fiat SPA TL37 w75/27 (light truck with 75mm gun mounted) or w47/32 (47mm AT gun)
2 points:
- M16 Celere Saharino (47) - similar to crusader, 47mm gun
- Alle armi (like small charge)
- 75mm mountain gun (howitzer)
- Autocannone da 75/27 (75mm gun mounted on large jeep - usefull support for infantry)
3 points:
- M16 Celere Saharino (75) - similar to crusader, 75mm gun
- Armoured Bersiglieri - 3star elite squad in halftrack (with AT rifles)
- Alpini Division - 2star elite squad (in halftrack with towed 75mm mountain gun/ in halftrack with mounted 20mm AA or 37mm AT)
- Lancia Autocarro 90 (90mm AA/AT mounted on Lancia truck - common mountings of Italy)
- Breda Autocannone Typo 102 (armoured truck with 90mm AT gun)
4 points:
- Armoured division -2x medium tank M15/42 with some troops on it
- Radio operator
- Semovente M42 75/18 (75mm howitzer, 50mm frontal armour) - close to Stug
- Carro Pesante P40 with 75mm short barrel (like Sherman 105)
5 points:
- Artiglieria - 2x Cannone da 65 (65mm mountain inf. gun) or 2x Obice da 75 (75mm inf. howitzer)
6 points:
- Rommels support (:-)): 3x Pz IV G with infantry on it / Tiger (those german tanks were really send to Italy's army as help)
- Carro Pesante P43bis - Pershing-like tank, 75mm long gun
7 points:
- Assault division - 1x Semovente 105/25
8 points:
- Armoured division - 2x M15/42 mediums and 1 Semovente 75/34
- Carro Pesante P43bis - Pershing-like tank, 90mm long gun (similar to 90mm AA, similar to US 90mm)
9 points:
- Carro Pesante P43bis - Pershing-like tank, 90mm long gun (similar to 90mm AA, similar to US 90mm)
10 points:
- Support - Elephant (used in south Italy as defense)(just optional)
- Obice da 210 (towable 210mm heavy mortar - this should turn game - imagine the power of B4M 203mm soviets have)

I am sure developers know a lot more than me, but i think that adding Italy into patch or as DLC (for 10e max) should be greaaat. Game will be more interesting and we would get another nation - another strategy. What are your opinions on that ??? Or if you know more interesting units to add, some prototypes or so...just post ) Thx for reading, hope at least some developer says if its possielve or not...
P.S. some tips and images :
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/italy/ta...avy/p26-40.asp
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/I...lianTanks.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian...n_World_War_II
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/...lian-Armor.htm - pics and descriptions

THX for reply and some tips )

[Ritterlichvon86]

I'd get that, if I could still play against people that do not own this DLC.

[ZoNedd]

DMS doesn't add units through DLC, they add maps and game modes. Units are through patches, which are free.

[jvano]

Excellent post!

to agree in everything. but instead of add heavy tank the Tiger I... would put the carro armato p.43

I not add german units... only add italy units... germans units maybe in heroes...Meybe! :P

the Italian units are weaker, but regulating prices with other countries. it can give battle

I add tow more units :

CAMIONETTA AS 42 "SAHARIANA" (breda 20 mm)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/a09.jpg/sr=1

ABM 41-42 with 47/32 AT gun
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...35la0.jpg/sr=1

[Schultz]

DMS doesn't add units through DLC, they add maps and game modes. Units are through patches, which are free.

To be honest, it should be the opposite. Add new maps and game modes for free, so everyone can play with each other, but make people pay for new factions.

[triumph]

I would rather have balance, bug fixes and replays at this point.

[Schultz]

I would rather have balance, bug fixes and replays at this point.

Id go as far to say that replays are critical if this game is ever to get a serious following. CoH had a pretty damn good system.

[SVT*sinalta]

I agree completely, obtained your idea very well .

serious good for adding to France and Hungary without doubts.

power to choose between to many is going it countries to make funny much more to the game

[ZoNedd]

Yeah..triumph is right. Who cares about new maps? It's amazing how it is now.

[Ossian]

If this a poll I'd vote 'no' absolutely not. If you want more nations, wait for German soldiers mod, it should be out around august for MOWAS It adds France, Italy, and some other nation I don't want to guess at and put my foot in my mouth.

The MOWAS development should focus on making the game to a higher quality, not adding large amounts of units and nations that will throw everything off, make more bugs, unbalances and lord knows what.