Germany has an advantage

[Spearthrower]

In fact, does anyone in here feel Germany is an easy faction to play? In terms of how easy the factions are to play, this is my list.

1) Germany
2) Soviets
3) Americans
4) Japan
5) UK

Seriously, who in here plays UK/Japan/Americans on a regular basis? Most people play either Soviets and Germany.

Constructive Criticism: Either have some of the tanks for Germany come out later, and increased the rate at which their hulls are DESTROYED, because it seems like they always are repairable, or increase costs. UK needs love period, they are a terrible faction - armed with crappy weapons that require skill to Germany's and soviets play style of just turning your turret and firing at whatever you see. Germany doesn't rely on flanking, all of their tanks can win/or mostly help in front to front tank battles, where as all the other factions aside from Soviets Heavily rely on speed to flank stuff.

Before the Germany fanboys converge on me, you know who they are because they play Germany almost exclusively, hear me out. Germany is easier to play, all we are asking is that the other sides get minor buffs in armament to smalls arms units (Rangers, Commandos, US Assault Infantry, UK Assault Infantry etc.) or that tanks become available slightly faster so they can make an impact faster before the better Germany/Soviet tanks make their appearance.

This game is going to be forgotten, much like COH because the developers are going to listen to the majority of fans who only play one side. The same way Wehrmacht is an overpowered faction now, will be the same way MoW will be a forgotten game when Germany is left the way it is. Why play a faction knowing that it's easier for the other faction to win? Why try to outflank German tanks, and their owners when you know they make little to no effort to attack you and out right charge you superior tanks and small arms units?

Forget realism, balance this game!

[Ford]

Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Germany would have to be pretty powerful to kill all those people. The same logic applies in COH so I don't see the problem.

If you're having trouble playing the game go to http://www.gamereplays.org for some great articles.

[Spearthrower]

That's nice, another Wikipedia historian.

I said, forget realism. This is a troll argument ford, you can bring up all these stats without looking at other factors. Why don't Americans have way more tanks and men? Planes? Etc.

So realism doesn't work anyways. I would rather have an intense and balanced game over a super real one. Maybe other might disagree, that's for another discussion. Here we are talking about BALANCE. If the game will stay like this, Germany sitting on its butt while the other 3 factions work their asses off to flank weapons with skill, count me out.

[Ulrek]

Forget realism, balance this game!

this may just be my reaction if that happens.. " "

the germans have their upsides yes...

but than again i'll happily take the US over the Reds myself..

i myself hate the germans for the way they have their units set up..

i favor lighter units that don't cost a whole lot mostly...

and while the germans do have some good points in that area as well..

for me i just like to use what army i like.. not really about winning, not to mention it gets boring as heck playing the germans as the team mates you get like to spam heavy tanks and long range guns like hummels etc.

and while that does not speak in favor of the before mentioned faction...

in real life they -did- take on the world pretty much so.. meh..

either way.. being upset over it really doesnt help in my mind.. so if i get shelled by king tigers and hummels all the time well...

i'll just wait till they think they've won and drive that tiger over to the other side of the map and kill it with a AT grenade from a SMGer hiding in a blast hole..

*edit* if you don't like the game than don't play it...

this game is better than most ones for its higher level of realism...

if you want a less realistic game than i'd go over to CoH, only played it for a while but it seemed to be more balenced.

[Spearthrower]

It's good that you like the way the units are set up, you like the historical feel and what not. The problem is that this game will never be competitive or the ladder system (automatch) will be a joke because people will understand, you picked Germany/Russia, you probably had an easier time climbing that ladder than say the UK/American or Japanese player.

[TeaSeeOh]

I've made a thread in the past about Germany being more powerful in comparison to the other factions. My opinion hasn't changed. It's not really like you can argue this fact. It's pure mathematics. Compare all the prices, the armor, penetration, and speed values, and you'll plainly see that Germany has an advantage tank-wise. Germany also has unique weapons for their Elite/Assault infantry; MP-44's beat out every gun in the game when it comes to accuracy/rate of fire. Just go into a game and use direct control and compare the size of the reticules at long range. I mean, sure USA/UK get machine guns with their infantry, but that's only 2 in comparison to 4 MP-44's. Panzerfausts are also the most ridiculously effective infantry AT in the game as well, and their elite infantry get them tacked on top of AT grenades.

this game is better than most ones for its higher level of realism...

Which is definitely true, and that makes it one of the cooler RTS games out there. However, this is still a game. There are balancing factors such as unit costs. If you want to talk realism, there were 5 Shermans for every 1 Panther. This is not the case in Men of War. For a game that spouts realism, costs don't reflect that point too well.

You want to quote wikipedia? There were only about 400k MP-44's produced for WW2. There were about 5 MILLION M1 Garands. Yet, it seems, MP-44's outnumber Riflemen in this game.

[Gishank]

Germany out of all the factions has the most advanced equipment, and their standard infantry have better than average training. I personally play UK/Japs quite often alongside Germany, and win almost every game I play against Germans, not because of the units - but because of tactics.

[Windmaker]

Yes, germans are a little bit better than other armies, but I don't agree, that they are easier to play. For me the easiest army to play is USA. Why? Because of prices of units and power of those units - M19, Sherman M4A2(76)W, M36 etc. Those units are so cheap that you can smash enemy. Yesterdays example: I played with my friends against german army - we were usa. We completely destroyed our enemy - no matter what kind of unit they used, Jagdpanther, King Tiger, we destroyed some of those units before our enemy get enough close to our position to be the problem.

That's true that there are problems with balance, but if you just think a little bit during game, there won't be problems with wining. Even Brits are very good, because of also prices of powerful 17pdr tanks - Sherman Firefly, M10 etc.

In my opinion, there is only some problems with balancing some units. For example, USA should have some heavy artillery to avoid playing against Hummels - some kind of 203 mm howitzers would be good. Brits should have more tanks - Comet, different types of light units, Matilda I, Sherman M4A1(76)W - called in UK Sherman IIA. and also more powerful rifles - Enfield rifles were much more powerful then german Kar98. Russia should have cheaper infantry, and weaker Ppsh - it's too powerful. Germans in my opinion should have more limits in heavy tanks - one per game etc. because Elephant, Jagdtiger, King Tiger are too popular in this game - same as IS-2. USA also should get some Super Pershing instead of T29 - which is too weak in this game with it's 105 mm gun.

That' it. Germans don't have any special advantage.

[TeaSeeOh]

You guys missed the point. Germany does have an advantage - Gishank, you even go so far as to admit as much by saying they have advanced equipment. However, advantage doesn't translate into unbeatable. It's great that you can post anecdotal evidence saying you beat Germany plenty of times because of tactics. This just means you outplayed your opponent. Spearthrower and I have played games numerous times together, and we've beaten Germany as UK, Soviets, or USA plenty of times; A pawn can still beat a rook in a game of chess, it doesn't mean the rook didn't have an advantage.

What advantage does mean, is skewed balance in their favor.

[HrcAk47]

Why?

I've been owning German a** with USA from the day i obtained this game. Hell, just about any faction is good for that.

Thing is that people usually have not a darnest clue about using tanks. They buy a Tiger for example and now i need to be scared, eh? Wrong. I'll take a Hellcat, kill the Tiger frontally, and will machinegun a dozen of their soldiers along the way.

Whenever something like that happens, enemy chooses to have a "tactical retreat".

And stop creating such a fable about King Tigers invincibility. Cuz it sucks. I killed 2 in todays game (which i coincidentally played with Soviets, for a change.) One was killed with AT grenades thrown by SMG infantry, other with T34/76 point blank, with assistance from SU100 that knocked its turret out.




Now, there are things which really suck.

That is the balance of US infantry. Again the troops have a ****load of Springfields which weren't even used in Europe, then the M1A1 carbine is weak as hell, and Rangers and Assault squads ought to get a bazooka trooper, if the Germans have Panzerfausts and Russians have Flamethrowers...