How competitive is the Soviet Union?

[CzaD]

I am interested in the general opinion about what you think about the SU and how it compares to other factions. It's been more than a week and some of you have played lots of game already so you can make some judgement on it. Do you think SU is as easy to play as other factions? Or maybe you think that SU would stand out too much in tournaments in which you were to play a randomly selected faction?

Please, make your judgement based on default games, not larger than 4v4s. So if you have played enough games like: 2v2 Worshop, 3v3 Farmland/Westland, 4v4 Bazerville/Lakeland to come to any conclusion, please, leave you vote.

It is also important to think about good balanced games, maybe ranked games.

EDIT: The poll question is very general. By the SU being "equally competitive", I mean whether Soviet units are sufficiently low/high in price to be balanced against their rival units, whilst maintaining their unique characteristics. Unique characteristics of units and their availability might also have a big effect on some games: for example, heavy slow tanks and hundreds of rockets reaching your spawn have much bigger tactical effect on narrow small maps like 2v2 Workshop but it would be a lot less effective in games like 2v2 Lakeland. That's why I asked you to focus on games with default settings.

[Ritterlichvon86]

The Soviet Union. While single units like BM-8 (the infamous Rocketeer-60" and KV-85 are overpowered, other strong choices fill that package. The Soviet Union can easily get to the IS-2 while maintaining much pressure during midgame with Charge and superior medium tanks (T-34 series), their CQC weapons are the best (PPsH, AT Rifles, cheap Bazookas, Shock Infantry), they have a powerful yet cheap heavy pusher tank KV-1, the .50cal M3A1, the T-60, their vehicles are fast and well sloped, their artillery (D1 and cheap howitzer tanks) competitive.

In my opinion the Soviet Union is the strongest faction because of the entire package. That's why i voted no.

[ShtoormoVick]

If not for BM-8, which I would rather see replaced, and if katiusha trucks would get a light armor, and some other minor issues, like the new KV-85, SU is a solid choice for a tense good game against germany, which, in turn, is stronger than any other allied faction.

That said, if a tournament had rules not to use BM-8 and KV-85 - yes, SU is a competitive faction.

P.S.: I don't think this question is entirely adequate the way it is put, thus I abstain from voting in this poll.

[Norbo]

Soviets are strong. They have very few medicore or simply bad AFV:s: before the patch there were 4, with the new KV-85 only the SU-76, SU-85 and T-34 '43 remain. It's the only faction that has excellent units for their prize class, ISU-122 or T-34-57 for example, that are seen relatively seldom because other strong units will most likely do the job. The very reason why KV-85 must be reverted is that Soviets can't have more "good for it's prize class"- well armoured units. Return it to it's original spot and we'll be fine.

KV-1 isn't OP, it's simply boring. Russian early-mid push is always the same, Charge, PKP and KV + maybe a halftrack: nothing too exiting to execute and boring as hell to counter. Keep making this tank less attractive but buff the SU-85 in turn. It could be an exiting Hellcat-like TD to kill counter the early H, which is basically the reason why early KV-1s are so common.

About Soviet infantry, it's just as it should be. It's nice to be able to choose wheter to push with Assaults or massed regulars (charge). The shock troopers are a perfect "seasoning" for urban.

PS. Not even mentioning the BM-8 here, it'll surely be toned down in the near future.

[CzaD]

Shtooormovick, so how would you phrase the question?

Btw, you can't exclude certain units from the tournament. You just have to accept the competitive settings designed by Instinct, otherwise every player would want to exclude this and that.

[Thompson-Nagant]

Soviet Union is definitely the easiest nation to play, you'll always have more options than the enemy to counter a situation.

[ShtoormoVick]

Shtooormovick, so how would you phrase the question?

Btw, you can't exclude certain units from the tournament. You just have to accept the competitive settings designed by Instinct, otherwise every player would want to exclude this and that.

These kind of polls are inconsistent, for all they promote is needless b!tching and witch-hunt. Obviously no, or almost no faction in AS is "equal" to another.
In terms of power and most of all versatility it goes like this:
1. SU,
2. Germany,
3. US,
4. UK,
5. JE.

with 1 and 2 being much more versatile and forgiving to play as, than any others, 3 and 4 about equal, and 5 significantly worse than the rest.

So, bearing this in mind, what kind of aim the question about "competitiveness" of one certain faction can persue, and most of all achieve? Not any positive one, nor any useful.
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Yes you can, and you may exclude any part of a game, be it a unit, a strategy, or any other thing you wish in you very own custom tournament. Moreover, that's exactly what people do and quite often too.

[Shootter]

The Soviet Union. While single units like BM-8 (the infamous Rocketeer-60" and KV-85 are overpowered, other strong choices fill that package. The Soviet Union can easily get to the IS-2 while maintaining much pressure during midgame with Charge and superior medium tanks (T-34 series), their CQC weapons are the best (PPsH, AT Rifles, cheap Bazookas, Shock Infantry), they have a powerful yet cheap heavy pusher tank KV-1, the .50cal M3A1, the T-60, their vehicles are fast and well sloped, their artillery (D1 and cheap howitzer tanks) competitive.

In my opinion the Soviet Union is the strongest faction because of the entire package. That's why i voted no.

No Ritterlich No... The BM8 is good as it is now, I just can rush with a 222 and kill it like i always do, it also prevent players from banking for the 203mm, The only thing that needs a fix is the KV-85