M4A3 Sherman needs a buff

[penguofdoom]

The Sherman is just not cutting it for mid-game tank product for USA. By the time you buy a Sherman there are already P4's with the 75mm out on the field clearly capable of wrecking a Sherman not to mention pak 37's doing a number on them as well. I feel that to at least counterbalance the weak armor of the Sherman without unrealistically buffing it, is to change the price of it to match the Panzer 4 Ausf F1 (Lob Tank) since they are relativily comparable in terms of anti-tank warfare. Aka Sherman sucks really bad. Another buff would be to the accuracy of the tank so it does not take 5+ shots to hit the side of a barn. If you manage to get the jump on a stronger tank with the Sherman you better cross your fingers so you will hit the bloody thing.

TL;DR Reduce Sherman price to match P4 Ausf F1 and increase accuracy.

[Retia Adolf]

Price matching the Sherman to an F1? What is this, a joke?

Also, there are 3 types of Panzer IVs with a 75mm cannon. The Panzer IV F1, Panzer IV G and Panzer IV H. The difference being barrel length. L/24, L/43 and L/48 respectively.

Only one of those is capable of wrecking the Sherman. One of them is capable of fighting the Sherman at bad odds and one is completely incapable of engaging the Sherman.

Also PaK37? No gun I've ever heard of.

[penguofdoom]

Snub nose panzer can inflict crew injured, the G can wreck a sherman and the H can also wreck a sherman, and the mini pak, not the 75mm or the 50mm but the 37mm. And what can the sherman do other than kill infantry? It's cannon is pathetic and if anything it does the same job the F1 accomplishes.

[Retia Adolf]

Both F1 and G die to Sherman at max range. G has a fighting chance, but F1 does not. If you mean HE crew injured, it's more annoying than it is dangerous and barely lasts a second.

The light PaK, which I am pretty sure is a PaK41, can't do anything against a Sherman. Even the Pak38 finds itself hopelessly outmatched.

[jvano]

Mmmm the sherman is not as pathetic as you say! more after the new price! The F1 and G are easy prey of sherman .... you not need get too close to the tanks to destroy them.
The pz H is the most powerful with a excellent gun ... but also more expensive (550 pz H vs 440 sherman ) and sherman can penetrate Pz H turret to 120 meters (hopefully XD but possible)

After his armor is not bad! 54mm in a excellent angle is sufficient to deflect shots of Pz H in long distances ...

[penguofdoom]

I did some testing with my friend, at 80 range the sherman could only penetrate the flat panel of the G and H and F1 and only the turret of the G and F1, problem was is that it took roughly 3-4 shots to hit the target. Past that range the chances of you hitting the front plate to achieve a killshot is pathetically low and turret shots no longer damage the G or H. The G and H have no problems destroying the Sherman frontally from max range and the F1 can kill it from 60 meters with ACPR frontally. The fact that a Sherman has to been within a distance less than 100 meters to get a acceptable chance to fight a tank is weak especially when it has to be a hit and run when it's considered to be in the same weightclass. If anything the Sherman needs a price reduction to 400mp or an armor buff so it can at least absorb shots at max range from tanks cheaper than itself. I also hate to bring up the fact that the cheapest t34 has roughly the same frontal armor, a lower profile, faster tank with a better gun at 40mp cheaper.

EDIT: Pak 50mm has no problem penetrating with ACPR and crew injuring with AP from a semi-close distance, Pak41 has no chance whatsoever.

[Gabriel]

what the hell are you saying??
the sherman can kill at max range the G and the F1 and also it can destroy the turret from H at max range.
the sherman is good as it is at this moment, doesnt need a change

[Retia Adolf]

Not only that, but in reality, the Sherman can kill G and F1 at a range of 150 by over-shooting its range limitation.

[DasBlutDK]

Let's not forget the Sherman comes with a nice little 50 cal. on the top.

[Ritterlichvon86]

How did you test it, both in direct control? How can you miss a Pzkpfw IV F1/G at 130m? Did you angle your Sherman a bit? It totally outclasses both. You either did not direct control your tank or suffered from terrible lag or one of you was drunk. Seriously, that's impossible.

Regarding the Pzkpfw IV H, shoot at the turret, or use two Shermans (get your buddy to bring one too). Imagine a triangle, when you and your buddy are at A and B, increase Gamma (enemy tank at C) by increasing c. Get a good flank shot at 45°, it'll take about 45 penetration. You can get that by overshooting.