Kv-85

[CzaD]

What do you think about KV-85?

The same gun as IS-1.
Nearly same frontal armour as IS-1 (angles could be different), but still KV-85 can be nicely angled.


But it is only 850MP, whilst IS-1 is 1100.

Stug has a hard time killing KV-85. In fact, KV-85 can go against a Tiger with no so bad chances.

Now, I am thinking about two things:
- why do I pay 800MP for a Sherman 76?
- and are we going to see only KV tanks in the game? People already spam KV-1s and KV-85 is going to be such a good choice too. The new T-34 tank models look so good. I hope players will use them too.

[Ritterlichvon86]

Okay, I write this post new as I've just checked the thing out myself. I did not believe it to be that overpowered. For 850MP, the new KV-85 is crazily overpowered. It's a carbon copy of the IS-1, but much much cheaper! It's frontal sloped hull armor has been buffed from 75 to 100, side hull armor from 60 to 75. The turret armor is also at 100 front and sides. The gun penetrates 69 from 150 and still reloads in 6.5 seconds!

So frontally the KV-85 is 100/100 sloped and a 85mm gun. At 850MP.
So frontally the IS-1 is 100/100 sloped and a 85mm gun. At 1100MP.

I've shot at both, they're almost equally hard to destroy. The IS-1 can survive around 10 meters closer.

What's the meaning in this, the IS-1 now got way more obsolete because I can have the same performance for just 850 (!) MP and much less CP. And on top of that, Germany doesn't have a decent counter to it - the Tiger I is the first one and at 1200MP.
There must be some weakness to the KV-85 - maybe if it went almost as slow as Churchills it could become balanced.

As this patch is obviously still just a "pre-patch" (unit descr and unit names are missing yet, they are called "???heronew1_rus", etc.) I suppose the KV-85 balance is not final yet. Instinct, when you read this could you please tell us shortly what you intend the KV-85 to be or what you may or may not do with it?

[[Hussars]Toomek]

@Ritterlichvon86
It's just missing localization files, it will probably be fixed in week, but none of the game mechanics or prices will change until next patch (if there will be one).

What surprises me is that I can't remember anyone on this or other MoW:AS forum speaking anything about KV-85 being underpowered.
This change seems like thunder from blue sky for me.
First tank for balance change should be Churchill Mk.IV, but it might be just me being a broken record...

[ShtoormoVick]

What my thoughts on this, is that you can't compare units one to one.
F.e.: why are americans getting four devils for 1 HP, and soviets get only 1 spetsnaz for the same 1 HP?

[Bullet_Force]

What my thoughts on this, is that you can't compare units one to one.
F.e.: why are americans getting four devils for 1 HP, and soviets get only 1 spetsnaz for the same 1 HP?

The Devil's Brigade costs 2 hero points and you get 3 of them. You get 1 more then the Russians but unlike the Russians you have to wait quite a bit longer. The Russian scout will likely have an easier time sneaking by at an earlier stage of the game.


With regards to the KV 85 it does seem quite overpowered from what you are saying. There is already a lot of KV spam especially with the KV1s and that pathetic 25 point price increase isn't going to change anything so long as their model remains massively buggged.

[ShtoormoVick]

The Devil's Brigade costs 2 hero points and you get 3 of them. You get 1 more then the Russians but unlike the Russians you have to wait quite a bit longer. The Russian scout will likely have an easier time sneaking by at an earlier stage of the game.

Hmm.. I won't argue about the amount of points and the size of the unit, since I might remember it the wrong way - haven't got a sleep in a while. :crazy:

But... if the model is bugged - that's entirely a different issue, having nothing to do with balance, but with maintenance only

[SeventeenPounder]

The IS1 was OP with 1100MP. Now we can get it for 850MP... KV85 has the same gun, same turret, same frontal armour, even the smallest slope angle (the weakest spot on frontal armour) is the same (30 degrees). The only difference is 15mm side armour and 3mph speed.

[[Hussars]Toomek]

If we take Sherman 76 and KV-85 we can see that additional 50 MP for KV85 is good investment for cannon that has 6% higher penetration (not talking about higher calibre and better HE shell) and frontal armour that can be penetrated in only two spots with 110 mm of penetration when Sherman can be penetrated almost everywhere with about 85 mm of penetration.

DMS are you kept hostage by Russian players? Because I can't understand...

[bkottoskorzeny]

What surprises me is that I can't remember anyone on this or other MoW:AS forum speaking anything about KV-85 being underpowered.

No one really said it out loud but as far as I'm concerned it always was. I never bought it, and I've always discouraged players from buying it. It was too weak and it was a waste of MP. Stugs could take it out frontally no problem. I'm not saying the change was warranted or anything. Personally I think with all the changes the Soviets went from arguably the strongest faction in the game to indisputably the strongest faction in the game.

[tanksnotdead]

"This is what they call realism "
Oh wait, nope. AFAIK most(if not all) KV-85 tanks were built on KV-1S chassis, so their depiction in MoWAS prior patch was kind of alright.
Ideally i think KV-85 needs to be in the place somewhere it was before but with a speed boost to make it more appealing. Half way between the T34-85 medium, and IS1 heavy tank, it could be a viable alternative as a faster heavy tank.
Or leave the armor be, but at least nerf the gun. Later T34-85 models used a better gun than was used on the KV-85/IS anyway.