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expire21
04-10-2007, 14:45
first ,I'm sorry about my broken english.
I think i can describe my question or suggestion clearly by using the picture.

text:

I use the same(more or less)"angle"&"vehicle"&"distance" to shoot the "same target" at six ,between add-on and original fow.
please look at those pictures:

FOW 1.04.1-no mod

range finding-1:
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/159.jpg#support_xuite)

range finding-2:
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/160.jpg#support_xuite)

aim-1:
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/161.jpg#support_xuite)

after first shooting:there have leave a bullet scar)
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... ort_xuite( (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/162.jpg#support_xuite()

after the second shooting:(not only leave a new bullet scar but also the armored had been harm,too)
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/163.jpg#support_xuite)

then i shoot the hole of co-axial MG:
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/165.jpg#support_xuite)

after I shoot it:
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/166.jpg#support_xuite)

I shoot it again:
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/167.jpg#support_xuite)

final :
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/168.jpg#support_xuite)



but in "add-on"

with the same circulate:

range finding:

http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/169.jpg#support_xuite)
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/170.jpg#support_xuite)

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1.
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/171.jpg#support_xuite)

2.
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/172.jpg#support_xuite)

3.
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/173.jpg#support_xuite)

4.http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/174.jpg#support_xuite

5.
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/175.jpg#support_xuite)

6.
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/176.jpg#support_xuite)

final
http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/1 ... port_xuite (http://photo.xuite.net/expire/1566394/177.jpg#support_xuite)

i have Check my gun strength and the armor of the enemy tank.

but i still can't harm the same target in add-on

that's what i say:
I dont like the new setting of the firepower and armored!would u change back to original setting,jsut like fow?
and I cant destroy the heavy tank by using light tank or medium tank, becauase i cant hurt them by shoot their co-axial MG or the chin between gun turret and tank'sbody or any tanks' armored failing.

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this problem may destroy the balance .

Instinct
04-10-2007, 15:02
The armor penetration settings are set to historical data, the panther was not able to penetrate or damage the Jagdtiger frontally. The game simulates the same.
All heavy tanks can be knocked out by medium tanks if you don't try to kill hit them through the front hull.

http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/al ... hiclesX=71 (http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/all_vehicles_adv.php?op=getvehicles&vehiclesX=71)
http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/al ... hiclesX=32 (http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/all_vehicles_adv.php?op=getvehicles&vehiclesX=32)


http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/al ... es_adv.php (http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/all_vehicles_adv.php)

expire21
04-10-2007, 15:51
Sorry,but it looks like you still didn't get what I tried to say.
What I mean was in the origin FOW ,if you keep hitting the same part of the armor,that part of armor would be damage and become weaker and weaker.
After many shots,the metal fatigue would make the armor weak enough to be break thougt by small-caliber firearm.
What I want to know was , will you put this " metal fatigue " setting back on the complte version or did you remove the setting for realistic reason?

Instinct
04-10-2007, 15:54
This setting still exists, for example, if you tank shows you penetration 90mm and front armor of enemy is 100mm, it will damage the front plate and you will kill it with the 2nd or 3rd try.
If your tank shows you penetration 30mm and front of enemy is 100mm, you will never damage it however you try.

Slapping Penguin
05-10-2007, 07:44
Haha awesome Instict! I knew you guys would come through. Most of the fan base of this game wants realism and you deliver! :D