M1 Bofors bug

[wvb]

The M1 40mm AA gun never reloads.

[triumph]

This sometimes works when arty won't load.
Select the ammo in that box.
Then direct control and fire the weapon (even @ 2 feet away) and the gun will start reloading. Then its rdy to fire.

[Gabriel]

This sometimes works when arty won't load.
Select the ammo in that box.
Then direct control and fire the weapon (even @ 2 feet away) and the gun will start reloading. Then its rdy to fire.
he means that bofors dont works as the resk of flak guns like 20kwk that shoot 20 bullets and reaload the gun, he refers to it is shooting always without stop to load and this eem a bit unreal

[Instinct]

The Bofors has one magazine, it's not a bug.

[Gabriel]

The Bofors has one magazine, it's not a bug.
but never eloads, it is shooting always... is that correct?

[Instinct]

It is because the magazine of the bofors is some 300+ rounds.

[Hartmann]

I think the gunners would normally stack a new clip ontop of the previous one before it runs out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roYQwSqKcO8

At 45 seconds

[wvb]

The Bofors uses 4 rounds magazines as you can see in the video.

Even shooting one round individually, the crew should stop to load the next round.

As it is now, it seems to have a belt of more than 400 rounds....

[Zeke Wolff]

The bofors uses 4-round clips, not magazines. This allows the loader(s) to continously feed the gun with ammunition, without the gunner needing to stop firing to wait for the gun to be loaded. In other words, as long as the loader(s) can keep up the speed, the gun can fire without any need to await for reloading.

The German 3.7cm FlAK43 worked basically the same way, but it uses 8-round clips and had a much higher rate of fire, which meant that the loaders had to work much harder to continously feed the gun.

The German 2cm FlAK guns were fed with 20-round magazines, and on the single barreled guns, this meant that the gunner had to wait for the loader to reload the gun. The four barrelled 2cm FlAK38 were reloaded by two loaders (each one responsible for the reload of two guns) and had 20-round magazines as well. However, the four-barreled guns were usually fired with 2 barrels only, upper left-lower right and vice versa, so when two guns were firing, the two others were reloaded, and thus, these guns could also spit out and endless amount of rounds towards the enemy. This isnt represented in the game though.

~Zeke.

[General FLEISH]

If you are going to argue like that, the MGs should also be able to fire all their rounds without reloading, since you can clip the belts togheter.

[Hartmann]

But did they historically regularly made 3000 round belts? Was that practical? As opposed to the Bofors where it was?

[Zeke Wolff]

If you are going to argue like that, the MGs should also be able to fire all their rounds without reloading, since you can clip the belts togheter.

I´m not arguing, I´m just telling how the feed mechanism on the Bofors and Flak43 do work. They are loaded with 4-round/8-round clips and this can be done whilst the gun is firing, so no need to reload. A machine gun, no matter how many belts are linked together, will sooner or later have to be reloaded, since you can´t easily link a new belt to an old one when the gun is being fired. Besides, a machine gun with too many belts linked together, is much more prone to jam, since the feed machines wont be able to cope with the large weight as easily, at least not the machine guns we used in the Swedish Army.

The Mg42 weighted around 10-12 kilos, add then 3000+ rounds (the belt will be some metres long) and you will quite soon notice that you´ll have a quite hard time to move around...

People vote in every voting thread here at DMS and they want to see more realism (me included) and when they do add realism, people complain?

~Zeke.

[Instinct]

Well, in the next version we will put in a short reload after 4 shots that will make it more obvious how the system works (it will barely change anything on the fire rate). Before it was essentially reloading after every shot.

[Dilust]

Italians AA guns and some HMG had clips too. And they worked exactly as Zeke Wolff has described.
See this video at 5.23: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5idhmYZcF4