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In my opinion, the Americans don't have enough heavy tanks in the game. The Sovjets have the IS2, IS3, the Germans have got the tigers but the Americans have only got the Pershing.
So, In addition to the Sturer Emil I'm going to make I'd like to make either the M6A1 or the Super Pershing or both.
I know, that it isn't historical correct but i think the Americans need something else to keep the balance.
What do you think?
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Zeke Wolff
19-01-2009, 19:40
Well, my opinion is simply; No, they do not need any other heavy tank. Why? Simply because they didnt have any other heavy tank in real life. The M26 Pershing is just fine as it is. No need for a M6A1 that never left the prototype stage and never ever saw action.
Prototypes is OK only if they were used in the war as a fighting vehicle, like the Sturer Emil, but not otherwise.
But, this is only my opinion.
~Zeke.
In my opinion US kicks ass the way they are at the moment. Slugger and Perish are made of win and awesomeness if one knows how to use them effectively.
Their tank destroyers though are among the best, so it balances it out. Americans require a different playstyle, not going head on and seeing who is tougher. A flanking slugger or even a hellcat can do a helluva lot more than fat, nearly immobile german tank destroyer. And their rate of fire is very impressive compared to their counterparts.
edit: perish, what a delicious spelling error :) It describes quite well the PERShing at the moment.
ok, thanks for your replies.
I don't want to do just one tank but a small set. Let's say one German, one American, and one Russian. What would you like to see? Or three from one country.
Zeke Wolff
19-01-2009, 20:51
ok, thanks for your replies.
I don't want to do just one tank but a small set. Let's say one German, one American, and one Russian. What would you like to see? Or three from one country.
Tanks that I would like to see:
Russian
Any of the BT series (BT2, BT5, BT7) instead of just a 76.2mm BT7a version
US, UK and Germany...
Well, most of the interesting ones has already been made... so your pick of doing a Sturer Emil isnt bad at all... at least thats a prototype that saw action... :)
~Zeke
Id like to see the supa pershing, becuase its a nice tank, also, a 105mm sherman xD
germans... sturer emil if u havent alreayd started on it
ruskies, well, t35! and thsoe early war tanks :grin:
the uk could use a churchill avre or something like that.
I'll do the "Sturer Emil" and two light russians.
s.pz.abt.503
19-01-2009, 21:54
In 1-1 combat my Pershing always winn in combat with the Tiger and in combat with a king tiger a i have 50% chance to hit him. Anyway allied tanks are more cheap than the german tanks, so if the enemy have a kingtiger , you must have at least one Pershing and one Slugger to fight with him and with a good tactic and maneuvers king tiger could be destroyed. We need to have a Historyc Men of War , no a Sci-fi one.
We need to have a Historyc Men of War , no a Sci-fi one.
If it's supposed to be historical correct, then German vehicles should have a much higher accuracy because of their superior optics. Engine and other parts shouldn't be repairable for german vehicles, because they were much harder to repair than American shermans for example. Ranges in the game are just a rough approximination. It's just a game and I like it the way it is. Sci-Fi=future wepons? They are already in the game. IS3 and Tortoise.
How about StuG III Ausf. G? :) I've kinda lost my motivation to finish mine :?
Zeke Wolff
20-01-2009, 11:53
How about StuG III Ausf. G? :) I've kinda lost my motivation to finish mine :?
What?!? After all that time I´ve been spending helping you to get the details right, and now you won´t finish it?!? :P :realbig:
Seems to me that I will be forced to continue working on my own version then... :twisted:
~Zeke.
How about StuG III Ausf. G? :) I've kinda lost my motivation to finish mine :?
What?!? After all that time I´ve been spending helping you to get the details right, and now you won´t finish it?!? :P :realbig:
Seems to me that I will be forced to continue working on my own version then... :twisted:
~Zeke.
No no, don't get me wrong! :D I really appreciate all the help you have given to me and I may finish it, but at the moment I have no motivation to finish it :? Goddamn GTA 4 :D
Panzer_Elite
31-01-2009, 08:38
reminds me,is there gonna be a M18 Hellcat for MoW?
there is one in the beta :D
Panzer_Elite
01-02-2009, 11:34
kk but i hope its in Men of War
M18 Hellcat is considered a tank destroyer, not an heavy tank.
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Hellcat
And if there is one in the beta, probably there will be one in the final version of MoW too.
Please, now return on topic.
kk but i hope its in Men of War
If it is in the beta it is in the Men of War...
SS-Kommando
03-02-2009, 09:26
ok, thanks for your replies.
I don't want to do just one tank but a small set. Let's say one German, one American, and one Russian. What would you like to see? Or three from one country.
I would like to see the BT-5 and BT-7 light tanks that Zeke mentioned, though I think the BT-2 wouldn't be of very high priority, seeing as how it wasn't used as extensively during the early war year as the BT-5 and BT-7.
And if you'd like to create American tanks, I would suggest the Sherman armed with the 105mm howitzer and the Wolverine tank destroyer. Oh and I almost forgot, you should definitely make the M5 Stuart! It was an American light tank equipped with a 37mm gun. I have been a bit disappointed a bit with the lack of it, since it was produced in large numbers and extensively used (according to onwar.com 6810 M5 of the A1 version were produced, but unfortunately I couldn't find the total production number for the M5 Stuart.)
For the BT-7 and M5 Stuart you would be able to use the existing chassis of the BT-7A and the M8 that are in the game, since they were both built on the BT-7 chassis and the M5 chassis.
As for heavy tanks, I can't think of any at the moment. Most of the ones that were used extensively are already in the game, and you have already finished the T-35, which was considered a heavy tank in 1941 if I remember correctly. Perhaps there are some Churchill or KV-1 versions you could create if your project has to be a heavy.
/SS-Kommando
Zeke Wolff
03-02-2009, 11:13
The M5 Stuart has already been added to Men of War. No point in remaking a already existing vehicle... :)
The BT7 would be a very nice addition though, since that was one of the most commonly encountered tanks during the early stages of Barbarossa.
~Zeke.
sgt_steiner
03-02-2009, 11:32
yes i know that its not a heavy tank but would someone please mod the sturer emil as i think its absolutly gorgeous and would love to get to use it in game.
SS-Kommando
04-02-2009, 06:24
The M5 Stuart has already been added to Men of War. No point in remaking a already existing vehicle... :)
The BT7 would be a very nice addition though, since that was one of the most commonly encountered tanks during the early stages of Barbarossa.
~Zeke.
Are you sure about that? Well, I will have a look for myself in my Beta folder later when I'm home.
/SS-Kommando
Zeke Wolff
04-02-2009, 11:42
Yes I am sure about it. I have used it so many times in the beta now... but perhaps you was thinking of the M3 Stuart? That one isn´t included in the game (but it is included in my Vehicle Pack #3... :ninja: )
~Zeke.
SS-Kommando
04-02-2009, 17:49
Yes I am sure about it. I have used it so many times in the beta now... but perhaps you was thinking of the M3 Stuart? That one isn´t included in the game (but it is included in my Vehicle Pack #3... :ninja: )
~Zeke.
Nah, it was the M5 Stuart I was thinking of, and it was in apparently (didn't know until now since I almost never play as any other faction but Germany, and Russia when I can't be Germany.) Phew, what a relief to see it in I gotta say.
/SS-Kommando
id like to see and control the superheavy tank maus! what do you think?
SS-Kommando
05-02-2009, 21:52
id like to see and control the superheavy tank maus! what do you think?
Since I'm for historical correctness I would rather not see any prototype tanks at all -including the Maus- in the game. However, I believe Orrie's Expanded Battles 2 mod for Men of War will feature the Maus (Expanded Battles for Faces of War had a Maus and an E-100 in it at least.)
/SS-Kommando
id like to see and control the superheavy tank maus! what do you think?
Since I'm for historical correctness I would rather not see any prototype tanks at all -including the Maus- in the game. However, I believe Orrie's Expanded Battles 2 mod for Men of War will feature the Maus (Expanded Battles for Faces of War had a Maus and an E-100 in it at least.)
/SS-Kommando
Well js-3 is in the game and js-3 didn't even see combat in ww2 if im right!
yup,tats wy like 10 topic are talking about remouve it ;)
personali,if you want to see sutch ting in MOW,just play mod!
yup,tats wy like 10 topic are talking about remouve it ;)
personali,if you want to see sutch ting in MOW,just play mod!
if they going to make a mod and maus will be in i will get the mod but ill get the game anyway also
I would also like to see the Maus and go stomping but I think it would ruin the game alittle. I always recon more tanks the better and bigger the better but the maus and E-100 would totally stuff up the multiplayer game.
Maybe it would be cool as the last German mission. Say the russians are taking the German tank proving grounds and the only thing left is the prototype maus so you jump in and have to fight off wave after wave of IS-2s.
Either way I think it is best left for the modders... but I will be downloading the first mod that has it :D
SS-Kommando
06-02-2009, 08:05
id like to see and control the superheavy tank maus! what do you think?
Since I'm for historical correctness I would rather not see any prototype tanks at all -including the Maus- in the game. However, I believe Orrie's Expanded Battles 2 mod for Men of War will feature the Maus (Expanded Battles for Faces of War had a Maus and an E-100 in it at least.)
/SS-Kommando
Well js-3 is in the game and js-3 didn't even see combat in ww2 if im right!
That's unknown; it might have seen action in Manchuria during August of 1945, but that has not been confirmed. However, if it was used, it was not to a great enough extent, so I would like to see the JS-3 removed from the unit rooster aswell, or have a no prototype unit mode.
/SS-Kommando
SS-Kommando
06-02-2009, 09:42
Maybe it would be cool as the last German mission. Say the russians are taking the German tank proving grounds and the only thing left is the prototype maus so you jump in and have to fight off wave after wave of IS-2s.
Quite an interesting mission idea actually. A thought I have is that the Maus could start out damaged, and the objective would be to defend the training grounds until it has been repaired, and then when it is finally repaired, the objective would be to kill off the remaining attacking Russians.
/SS-Kommando
[quote:2vg1x8k2]Maybe it would be cool as the last German mission. Say the russians are taking the German tank proving grounds and the only thing left is the prototype maus so you jump in and have to fight off wave after wave of IS-2s.
Quite an interesting mission idea actually. A thought I have is that the Maus could start out damaged, and the objective would be to defend the training grounds until it has been repaired, and then when it is finally repaired, the objective would be to kill off the remaining attacking Russians.
/SS-Kommando[/quote:2vg1x8k2]
lol--->http://www.digitalmindsoft.eu/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=746
there is a mission were you figth with MAUSvsIS-3 to hold for repair an hoter maus... :booyah:
lolich75
12-02-2009, 12:17
i would like to see: U.S: M26A1E2 Super Pershing, as far as i know two where built and both saw combat.
Germany: Sturer Emil, I love it! seems like i've been named after it to...
Russia: The BT-5 or the SMK heavy tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_tank)
There you got my whishes.
Handerson
18-02-2009, 11:01
Why not if the russians have IS-3 :?: :?: :?:
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesr/b1000.jpg
eef^deRuyter
18-02-2009, 12:35
those tanks look sweet :) but maybe more for an "as if" mod, maybe some 50s material from all nations?
sgt_steiner
18-02-2009, 14:23
that would be the U.K. hummped right out the game then eh!
Handerson
18-02-2009, 14:52
those tanks look sweet :) but maybe more for an "as if" mod, maybe some 50s material from all nations?
These are still WW2 german designs which showed the future so no 50's material is needed from other nations...
jeez I hate that Maus turret, I like the first E100 though and the baby kingtigers on the bottom. pretty cute.
Handerson
18-02-2009, 18:47
The E-90 strongly resembles todays MBT's.
The E-90 strongly resembles todays MBT's.
Büffel looks a bit like the modern Marder IFV.
Some of them look modern vehicles indeed! Germans were so advance...
SirScorpion
19-02-2009, 08:56
Man those are some sexy tanks :insane: , defiantly must be moded in game, and I really love the IFV in the end, I think MOW should have a 1947 mode like Il-2 1946.
Element_Five
19-02-2009, 10:42
I hope Zeke doesnt find this thread :baseball:
I hope Zeke doesnt find this thread :baseball:
(Oh, man... if he does we won't hear the end of it... :realbig: )
I have to agree, those are sexy looking drawings but.... I don't think it would be smart thing to add all those prototypes to the game unless someone decides to make few prototypes for other nations... Only if that happes we can have fun with some "what if" scenarios...
Zeke Wolff
19-02-2009, 11:43
I hope Zeke doesnt find this thread :baseball:
Zeke has already found this thread and I won´t even make a comment about these prototype tanks, except for one thing - they were all "paper designs", not actual vehicles.
~Zeke.
Zeke has already found this thread and I won´t even make a comment about these prototype tanks, except for one thing - they were all "paper designs", not actual vehicles.
~Zeke.
Orrie reed somewhere that Cromtec was in fact intressted in making the Entwicklung Series. Tho, even as Orrie writes this, nobody should take this serious till Cromtec himself writes that he will make them or release a content pack with them.
Orrie would also like too add that adding the E-Series will totally ruin the game since every tank in the E-series are way to strong (in theory) then the average allied tank.
And by adding that many, will also make it hard to chose which one of them to roam the battlefields, since Orrie don't want to spend all his points on 1 vehicle.
Maybe some more realistic designs that allied tanks can handle is more suitable for both Zeke's and Cromtec's thoughts?
Tho, Orrie also thinks everybody should know that Cromtec is busy making the vehicles for the Death and Glory 1939 mod.
Orrie says thanks and good night.
-Orrie
Zeke Wolff
20-02-2009, 00:22
Do Orrie always speaks about himself in 3rd person? :realbig:
Orrie should know that mr. Wolff turned down the offer to join the same mod as Cromtec is working for... I am far too busy making new vehicles for our DCG mod which will be ported to MoW later.
~Zeke.
Orrie knows that Mr. Wolff can't handle 2 projects at the same time. It will melt his......
Okey, now it started to going from funny to just... weird... :roll:
I think this thread is going nowhere really, since this wont be made by the developers (My reasons are in my other posts) and only a freelancer will do it.
For now, every freelancer (That I know of) is busy modeling for some great projects.
I respect that, and encourage them to finish what they are doing before starting something new.
:grin:
Flanker15
04-03-2009, 07:36
I always thought that the reason there were prototype tanks was to give the other coutries a tank that atleast is a match for the King Tiger in multiplayer?
If the Germans had one of their prototype tanks they'd be back up a level and you'd need a even more unrealistic tank to match for the other countries.
Aye! After more gerry prototype tanks, eventually the yankees would have M1 abrams's roaming on the batllefield!
filon102
08-03-2009, 04:59
Orrie, im sorry but u sound soo *** when u talk like that :lol:
I think that is3 should not be even in game, cause it brings topics like this to a question mark :huh:
TankBlitzer
14-03-2009, 10:14
It would be sad if they started to not keep to the historical facts and suddenly invent alot of new tanks ... :sadflat: If a vehicle did not join the battlefield of the real WW2 it shouldnt be included in this game.
Instead, ... make the best tanks cost more and/or limiting just one pop during the entire game per player of a IS2/IS3 and maybe two for tank-only battles. If US ... had great AT canons, then let them be better than other nations, that way US got alittle different playing style than the germans and Russia. This way there are also variation between the teams, regarding playing style. Thats just a good thing. The teams feels more unique. That is very good so people dont get tiered of a game soo easy ... variation.
Finally we got a realistic WW2 game ... lets keep to the facts and not destroy that.
Ahem, US and brits have very good tankdestroyers that are also very fast and they are not self propelled AT guns so they are playign with different tactics already :P
Rebs edit: changed fats to fast
Latdonine
14-03-2009, 18:28
I'd love the see T-28(The russian one) It had 3 turrets and was used in winter war :D
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